But now Judas is set up as a being who must live the inverted law, by only drinking blood. Apparently, Patten wasn't the only one to have seen such a creature and rebuke in the name of Christ. Caleb Jackson cursed to walk the Earth forever as Shiver Man Shiver Man's origins aren't completely clear, but it seems that he may have become who he is now after being cursed by a priest. Popular vampires as descended from Eastern Europe folklore have their history so entwined with Christian symbols, that its appetizing to hunt for biblical references. The story that he was cursed to walkthe earth till the second coming was a later addition. Also, in the version of Patten's experience as it is related, it is assumed this was a real person, not a vision or spirit, thus strengthening the idea that Cain was still alive. E. Wesley Smith, president of the Hawaii mission told his his brother, Joseph Fielding Smith of an attack on him by Cain, described similarly to David Patten? > As a side story, a friend of mine mentioned a story he had read but I> forget the title of the book which I believe he said was written around, > the 16th century(?). I mean, its partly satisfying, right? Thinking I might>> run a campaign having to do with him, if I can find out more stuff>> about him. In denying him a home. Here is an interesting article that might support the consideration of a certain ancient Anglo-Saxon archetype (the brutish descendant(s) of Cain) persisting into the the psyche of modern Anglo-Saxon descendants: http://ealuscerwen.wordpress.com/kin-of-cain-annotated-bib/. Cant remember where I heard about him but it was a while>> ago, maybe I'll weave a lost clan around him. My freind went on, > to say that this book was banned by the Catholic church as sacraligious, > and had always been considered fiction. >Sorry, Methuselah's the fellow from before the flood. The only name I'd heard for the Roman>soldier was Longinus. Here's another little tidbit I found on the matter. The mans faith is shattered. ing his sojourn upon the earth, but that he could not die, and his mission was to destroy the souls of men. -Tales from the Floating Vagabond, >>I believe that man's name is Methusalah (sp? In other words, God reserved blood for Himself, not for you lowly non-omnipotent plebes who cant even separate the Heavens from the Earth. Now you have been called to find her and solve the mysteries of the abandoned mines. :) Such is the fate of urban legends, after all. Sorry, Methuselah's the fellow from before the flood. And if there is>>any mention of him in any of the whitewolfs books. Kamenraider, thanks for the interesting anecdotes--also, especially helpful is the actual account of E. Wesley's Smith's experience--I was hoping to find it and you provided it so I didn't have to go searching! I don't know whether this is an authentic version of thelegend or if it's just something Weinberg made up.). Learn how your comment data is processed. who said he'd be right over and when the Pres. After the destruction of her village and tribe, Nimue is tasked by her mother to seek the wizard Merlin, and return to him the Sword of Power. er. >While Jesus was caryying the cross to Golgotha, he fell and leaned >against the side of the house. While Jesus was caryying the cross to Golgotha, he fell and leaned against the side of the house. When Cain realizes he will be killed by any who find him, the Lord tells him: Moses 5:40 And I the Lord said unto him: Whosoever slayeth thee, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. The Wandering Jew is a figure from Christian folklore, a Jewish man who, according to legend, taunted Jesus on the way to the Crucifixion and was then cursed to walk the earth until the Second Coming. Now that's *really* strange, given that Ahasuerus is a variant form ofArtaxerxes (see the book of Esther), a *Persian* name (guess hewandered pretty far, eh? Go on quicker! but you get the point) so>yes,>>he gets >>>mention in the booksjust not directly>>>-- >>>>The Wandering Jew is Methuselah?>>I share your puzzlement, Kestrel. > On Wed, 29 May 1996 22:22:36 +0000 in alt.games.whitewolf, Marc17 (mcsc@uoknor.edu) wrote:> >There is a book 'The Spear of Destiny' which is supposed to be a non > >fiction book on hte Nazi's efforts to reclaim the Spear of Destiny, > >which is supposedly in some German museum. -- "When one Malkavian talks listen, when one Malkavian acts leave, when two Malkavians gather run." Because the one thing we know about vampires, is that they must die and rise as the undead. For just a moment, if we can decouple this tale from its all-too-easy association with popular vampires, we can reflect on how it compares with other parts of the Bible. Further, God would spirit Jesus up to Heaven but leave his other big resurrection down on Earth to multiply and feed off the very flock that Jesus came to save. They were referred to as the Jotun, although they were not thought to be quite as large as others of Norse lore, such as the hrimpusar (frost giant) and the bergrisar (mountain giant). What's interesting is that in the actual version he cites, Patten does not even mention that it is Cain he met--but in the comments before the story, Pres. There was A fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth. "I did not believe the phrase 'bodies piled in heaps' until I saw the battlefield yesterday", -Captain Emory Upton after the Battle of Antietam, : I believe that man's name is Methusalah (sp? > A man decided to take a pilgramage to Rome. You shall not eat the blood of any creature, for the life of every creature is its blood. There areactually several such charicters added in later fiction because Jesuspromised that the second coming would occure before all that saw himlive had died. but you get the point) so yes,: he gets mention in the booksjust not directly. Jul 30, 1999. Thinking I might>>run a campaign having to do with him, if I can find out more stuff>>about him. ", >In article <4ojc95$e@news-f.iadfw.net>, r@airmail.net (Kestrel the>Fairly Decent Dragon) writes:>>>>I believe that man's name is Methusalah (sp? Their tillage of the ground was not to prosper, which ultimately, Bonar thinks, drove the Cainites to city-building and mechanical invention. your sourse (so I can get my own paws on it). As far as I know (and care) it is probably the same one the Arc is>supposedly in. The owner came out and yelled at him to get off his wall. The Book of Alugah relates that God revived Judas and cursed him to walk the Earth for the rest of his days, fearing the sun and living on blood. ), That would be the US military werehouse codenamed: Apocalypse? It will be in stores this week. The _spear_ the Roman soldier used, however, has acquired a mythology. "-Karen Kruzycka. Can anyone show me any references (other than David Patten's story) to support this belief, that Cain is still roaming the earth, in some sort of cursed translated state? After being cursed, Cain was cut off from the presence of God, something he'd clearly enjoyed before he murdered his brother. I'll be interested to hear about the "further experiences". Genesis 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: Deuteronomy 27:16-26 Cursed be he that setteth light by his father or his mother. The story that he was cursed to walk the earth till the second coming was a later addition. Nevermind that belief in vampires, even in Europe, predates the arrival of Christianity. Barry Sadler of "Ballad of the Green Berets"fame. There is no tradition of this in Christianity that I can find. I am just curous about. 37 When thou tillest the ground it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength. more or less right.of the many people who lived a long, long time in Genisis, Methusalahlived the longest. Obsessed with breaking the curse he crosses paths with a brilliant grad-student who is All the While it's not important for our salvation, I do think it is important to look carefully at the things we teach and promote within the church. http://ealuscerwen.wordpress.com/kin-of-cain-annotated-bib/. 478. Any answers would be>>greatly appreaciated.>> Thanks>I believe that man's name is Methusalah (sp? I don't know whether this is an authentic version of>the>>>legend or if it's just something Weinberg made up. The books focused on Casca Longinus the cursed Roman soldier and charted his journey through time doing the only thing he knew - be a soldier. He replied that he was, not, but had just met with a very remarkable personage, who had represented himself as being Cain, who murdered, his brother, Abel. Aurelius Prudentius Clemens (b. >Weinberg does interesting things with the paraphernalia of classic>grimoire occultism; I'd recommend the book to anyone who plans on playing>an Order of Hermes Mage.>>>Dean Shomshak. I heard that there was a Roman soldier by the name of Carthephilus who was Pontius Pilate's gatekeeper. Thats based entirely on my belief that Judas couldnt get laid. When, therefore, Peter saw him, he said to Jesus, Lord, and what shall he do? :) Such is the fate of urban legends, after all. Of course, this person also believes such things, so one>can never tell. Another "wandering man" story that I read was about a man comingto a shoemaker as night sets. but you get the point) so>yes, he gets >>mention in the booksjust not directly. So BOTH of them, after death, rose again. If I remember corretly from when I read a book on the subject, the name Ahausuerus first appeared around the 14th century in german pamphlets talking about the wandering jew. sigh. Wandering Jew, in Christian legend, character doomed to live until the end of the world because he taunted Jesus on the way to the Crucifixion. Maybe I'll do a little sleuthing if I have time. Neither a double curse upon the entire earth for man's sake (Alford), nor a doom of sterility inflicted only on the district of Eden (Kalisch); but a judgment on Cain and his descendants with respect to their labors. > other sorces it matches what they said was goin on in Rome at the time> with regards to the coruptions of the Papal office and may have some> basis in fact. A man decided to take a pilgramage to Rome. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Or would Christs blood have the effect of reversing their vampirism? WAKE 5. During this time with the power of Hope now given to humanity, the people of Greece have learned to move on and rebuild without the need of the Olympian Gods. Curses: The Curse of the Wandering Jew. Profiteers have attempted to exploit the darkly-inclined among us by suggesting they could form a supernatural bond with all-father Judas by purchasing an overpriced ring? The Wandering Jew, often named Ahasueras>(or variations thereof) was cursed for mocking Jesus on the road to>Golgotha, or at least that's the version I read. Earlier, the Gospel of John talks about Simon Peter striking the ear from Malchus, a servant of the high priest (John 18:10). Barry Sadler of "Ballad of the Green Berets">fame. He tried to tell this wandering jew of the wonders of> Christianity and get him to convert bu the jew refused and responed by> saying that Jesus was a jew and he knew what he was doing and telling> the man he should convert to judiasm.